Thursday, May 21, 2009

The Mylow Magnetic Motor story

For those of you following this story, Mylow admitted fakery with fishing line after someone spotted it in a high resolution video. There are still those who believe he at first did have a working model, but was scared into discrediting himself by the government. One person who was his strong and kind advocate, was Sterling. A poll now shows that 51% of people polled believe Mylow was faking it from the very start. This is Sterling's latest letter to Mylow:

Mylow,
As I've gone through my email from the last 24 hours, here is what I am sensing.

Though there may be yet a small trickle of replicators still working on this, for the vast majority, this story is just too much.

http://pesn.com/2009/05/01/9501534_NSA_apologizes_to_Mylow/Mylow-bar-magnet-motor-collage_300.jpg1) No confirmed replications of HJ's design based on your input in two months, despite thousands of man-hours and many thousands of dollars spend by a lot of replicators giving it a good try.

2) No independent witnesses of your replication.

3) Your exposed trickery, which puts everything in question.

If you're going to lie, then when did it really start, and did you ever tell the truth?

I stood at your defense in my story published last night:


A lot of people saying they've lost respect for my judgment.

I hear I'm getting a good hammering over at OverUnity.com

My read on this is that at this point the entire thing has fizzled out to a few smoking embers that are likely to smolder out within a few days.

The story of the hidden fish line doused the fire of hope that stirred so many people up to give this a try.

As far as I can see, it's over.  Everything you worked for has been discredited by your fakery.  The MIB win again.  The bullies stay in power.

The only way to salvage this is to either have someone (e.g. me or [PMMTester]) come and see one of your working devices, or to send one of us one of your working devices.

Otherwise, your legacy in history goes down as a psychotic liar, and mental illnesses will be named after you.

Meanwhile, my credibility has likewise taken a major hit.  [...]  The reputation has become: "believes in wild stories with no solid evidence."  [...]  Several people are calling for my resignation.
The name "Howard Johnson" will be associated with "Mylow", and no one will dare mention it.

Is that what you want?

I've stood by you, now how about standing by me and all the other replicators who have believed in what you have presented.

Don't let us all down, just because the MIB have you scared.  Grow some balls.

[...]

Do the right thing.  Let me and/or John come see your stuff, or send me/him a working device.  Or it could be all over.


Sterling

14 comments:

vincine said...

Well, duh. We know about conservation of energy and how it's not possible to build a machine which produces more energy than it consumes (quantum scale effects possibly excluded). Anybody who thought for a moment that Mylow was legitimate is, unfortunately, gullible.

Xeno said...

Energy can be transformed, however. In one of his stories the magnets got cold and became demagnetized.

If we weren't a bit gullible/hopeful we'd never have learned what we know today. We do have to dream, and to play around to discover new things.

What is the formula for how much energy is required to magnetize a substance? How much energy is stored in a magnet?

vincine said...

Magnets don't store energy. Magnetic attraction and repulsion is a force between particles and when they move together the potential energy represented by their separation is reduced and kinetic energy is increased by the same amount.

See the Wikipedia page on Perpetual Motion:

"More generally, magnets can do no net work, although this was not understood until much later. A magnet can accelerate an object, like the metal ball of Wilkins' device, but this motion will always come to stop when the object reaches the magnet, releasing that work in some other form - typically its mechanical energy being turned into heat. In order for this motion to continue, the magnet would have to be moved, which would require energy."

maryyugo said...

"Do the right thing. Let me and/or John come see your stuff, or send me/him a working device. Or it could be all over."

Good but way late. This is what you should ask, Sterling, with EVERY claim that you publish, BEFORE you publish it. And you should recognize that you can even be fooled in person. You need to have the device tested by experts, taken apart to its smallest component to look for cheating, and then reassembled and retested. Crooks and nut cases like Mylow and Tilley won't allow you to do that. EVER. Those like Goldes and Steorn won't even show you a video! Those facts should tell you something. Next time. OK?

maryyugo said...

...oops wrong place. Nothing like preaching to the choir. Sorry.

TinselKoala said...

Actually, as far as I know I was the first to hypothesize in public that Mylow might be using a fishing line drive, in a comment on a YouTube video (in which I showed yet another possible fakery method), to AdminOnDuty. No doubt the video analysts may have already been working on it, but not in public as far as I know. And I published YouTube videos showing my Exact (in all ways that count) replication of Mylow's wheel, including the drive system, well before the photo analyses of Mylow's videos were published.
Please see my video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M posted May 17th, and many others.

EvilScotsman said...

Oh, and BTW, the anti-gearwise motion of the OC/AL motor stator was real and replicated, though not acceleration of course, but the AGW phenomenon was unexpected, and previously unknown. If the rotor of that device is spun by an electric motor, the AGW stator spin is maintained, which is interesting and counter intuitive, as one would expect it to slow down, cog, and run GW.

There may be more we don't know. If other magnetic researchers through the centuries didnt know what they were looking for, they wouldn't find it except by accident would they?

EvilScotsman said...

Mary, you really are the most patronising person I have ever encountered on these forums. And you do it while pretending to be genuine yet knowing full well you are pushing the rage buttons. That page was the sort of basic magnet crap I would expect in junior school, and nothing that hasn't been spouted by all skeptics at one time or another. Obviously I know how the "classical" model of a magnet is believed to work. Your views or perspective don't make my views untrue or less valid. You just insulted my intelligence on purpose because I pertain to the possibility of a permanent magnet motor. Do you think Higgs is likewise a moron for believing in the possibility of the Boson even though it has never been found and lives only in particle theory?

maryyugo said...

Sorry if plain logic presses your rage button. Now why would that be?

That page I cited and its links show clearly that you can calculate the net propulsive force from any magnetic interaction of the sort present between rotor and stator on a disc or on any similar configuration. And the net force pushing the disc always sums to zero around the disc. That means that you're not going to get a working PMM by re-arranging the magnets! I thought that if decades of futile trying didn't convince you, maybe some straightforward logic and calculations would. I should've known better! Perhaps you prefer Mylow's reasoning or Sterling's. Or maybe Bearden, Bedini and Dennis Lee? Mark Goldes perhaps?

If you want to ignore existing science and mathematics, you are simply going to repeat the errors of the past. And there is no end of those. There's nothing wrong with basic physics. The discovery of the boson doesn't change Newton's laws of motion for macro objects. Nor does it alter basic quantum physics. It's additional knowledge developed by people who understood and accepted "conventional" physics. The boson isn't a "belief". It's existence is based on both excellent theory and mathematics. That same methodology that proposes the boson says PMM's won't work. Ignore it at your peril.

dxfinatic said...

Well tinselkoala (hoaxer of alsetalokin device) you sir deserve a medal! Let us all bow down to your great negative debunking skills! I guess the old saying it true. Takes one to spot one.

EvilScotsman said...

No, actually all of those people have failed to produce a proven working machine and Bearden in particular is as mad as a frog. I am a searcher in the weeds, looking for any glint of something interesting beyond the boundary of present confirmed knowledge. I use the findings of others to modify my own pursuits so that I do not follow a dead end if I can avoid it (if they did, and all seemed to so far), and move on to look at the next one.

I suppose a childish fascination with magnetic forces has stuck in the back of my mind even though I know all of the classical arguments against PMM's, and can instantly see why the most of the ones shown so far cannot possibly work, due mainly to equal and opposite forces, except for mylow's fake (god I am so sick of seeing that name even when I typed it) which seemed to work and I was puzzled, but accepted provisionally that he could have fallen across something....then I saw him post on another persons YT page which showed a howard johnson linear track vid, and mylow asked "Thats really nice, Is that howard johnson himself?" - to which the page owner replied "yes you should study his work, its really interesting" - he didnt post there again - that was only a few months ago. If he studied HJ for 30 years then he would know him on sight. His pic is in all of his books and vids. Nuff said. HJ's linear track motor, as with all other linear track designs I have seen and built, works, but not in a rotary fashion, thats what interests me in this particular endeavor, as an engineer, closing the track is the elusive puzzle. I know why the repulsion "gate" is there, but its an interesting brain teaser to engineer a way round something seemingly impossible.

So.....nothing yet has really worked and maybe it is all crap but I am not going to stop looking for a clean energy source or fiddling with magnetic field puzzles just because some other person says something "can't work". I will decide what works and what doesn't for myself. I do not need reminding of classical science or guidance from you or anyone else on what roads to take, or what to try, or what to think, so just mind your own life and leave alone those who see things differently, since you do not matter in the slightest to anyone who doesn't know you and your opinion on what people choose to do, try to make, or spend their money on is none of your concern ;)

You should hook up with Desert Phool (as my learned colleague puts it) cos you would make a smashing pair.

Thank you, and good night! :)

(bows to roaring applause and standing ovation)

EvilScotsman said...

Bear in mind, its not you personally I am getting at, or being nasty. Just your views and the way you present them :)

Songstir said...

Jan 13 2010

I'm a little late on to the Mylow story but I see some questions....Did anyone research Howard Johnson's experiment? He was quite clear stateing that the south pole has different qualities than the north pole. He also stated the driving magnet was sharpened to a point. I might have missed something of the dialog but see none of these points mentioned. There was someone selling a book that said Johnson's "tiky tack" model that got him the patent worked because Johnson was physicaly in the circut.
If Mylo won't let anyone check his machine and no one can replicate it, then it's anther dead end but people have seen Johnson's model working including the patent office so the possibility of pmm for those of us that don't care about "physics" laws and ou police will continue to mess with stuff!

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